[C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
Patrice Roy
patricer at gmail.com
Sat Jul 14 03:04:03 PDT 2018
I've been to OOPSLA in the past, as an attendee (not as a presenter). It
was actually pretty nice, and I have fond memories of it. It's indeed the
closest conference to CppCon from all of those I've been to, at least in
terms of size. For those who have never attended, it was a week-long,
cross-language thing : we had a keynote on Aspect-oriented programming,
another keynote by John McCarthy (just for this, it would have been a fun
event :) ). Lots of smaller, academic papers (not all professional
presenters; the overall CppCon level is higher than what OOPSLA offered
when I went), and lots of highly interesting panels and talks by
programming luminaries (Guy Steele, Bertrand Meyer, James Gosling, Nico
Josuttis -- who was there mostly about Service-Oriented Architecture, which
was a hot topic that year -- Anders Hejlsberg and many others).
I remember noticing that C++ was quite under-represented that year; it was
my main concern when I filled the evaluation forms at the end. I'm glad we
have CppCon these days.
I understand Eugenio's concerns. For the academic CppCon to work, we'll
have to clearly define what we expect from it, and what attendees can
expect too. And we'll have to be patient, as I think it will require more
than one iteration to get right.
Cheers!
2018-07-13 17:24 GMT-04:00 Eugenio Bargiacchi <svalorzen at gmail.com>:
> I agree mostly with Sarthak. I don't really see how it would be
> possible to create a single conference (be it a track or standalone)
> about C++ in academia in general, given that academia as a whole has
> so many disparate topics.
>
> Even if you create an academic track, unless all the work in there can
> be pertinent to what I am doing, there would be little point for me to
> go. I am currently at ICML, which is a very large AI conference (3k+
> people), and it is hard already to find tracks I am actually
> interested in since there's so many different topics.
>
> I don't think I would go to a conference about C++ in academia unless
> the papers presented were actually pertinent to my field, and I'm
> pretty sure my colleagues would do the same. For example, a short talk
> about how C++ is applied to the medical field would be of pretty much
> no interest to anyone in my lab. Trying to make training courses or
> C++ demonstrations in specific academic conferences which directly
> target the field of that conference I would imagine would gather much
> more interest.
>
> Eugenio
>
> On 7/13/18, Pati, Sarthak <Sarthak.Pati at uphs.upenn.edu> wrote:
> > Would it make sense to conduct relevant training sessions on cutting edge
> > algorithms/technologies using C++ in field-specific conferences? For
> > instance, in the field of Medical Imaging, MICCAI<http://miccai.org/>’s
> > annual meetings would be a nice target in collaboration with Kitware
> (they
> > design and maintain the ITK<https://itk.org/> library, one of the most
> > widely used toolkits in the field).
> >
> > I have been hiring for my team recently and I get the impression that
> > current graduates are taught very antiquated methods in C++ and that
> notion
> > needs to change if we would like traction in the academic community.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sarthak
> >
> > From: CppAc [mailto:cppac-bounces at lists.cpp.ac] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Allison
> > Sent: 13/Jul/2018; Friday 01:09
> > To: Jon Kalb <jon at kalbweb.com>; Hartmut Kaiser <hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com
> >
> > Cc: cppac at lists.cpp.ac
> > Subject: Re: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
> >
> > I presented a few times at OOPSLA. I don't feel it's relevant for me
> > anymore, and I really don't hear much about it these days.
> >
> > I do like the idea of having a conference associated with ACM. That's
> what
> > CCSC does at a regional level (I have presented there many times over the
> > last 15 years). For me personally, the idea of an academic conference
> that
> > focuses on teaching as well as other interesting issues related to
> software
> > development and programming languages is very appealing. CCSC does that,
> but
> > it lacks relevance to and connection with industry. So either I like the
> > idea of beefing up the academic component of Cppcon, or having another
> > conference which is more welcoming to academics and yet still keeps the
> > connection to industry. I live in both worlds, and I think there are many
> > like me.
> >
> > Chuck Allison
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jon Kalb <jon at kalbweb.com<mailto:jon at kalbweb.com>>
> > Date: 7/12/18 7:56 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: Hartmut Kaiser
> > <hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com<mailto:hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com>>
> > Cc: cppac at lists.cpp.ac<mailto:cppac at lists.cpp.ac>
> > Subject: Re: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
> >
> >
> > Is OOPSLA focused on what its name says (OOP)? It looks to me like
> cutting
> > edge never uses “virtual.” I don’t really know what OOPSLA is doing or
> what
> > academic research is going on related to C++. Please help me learn.
> >
> > Do you know how to go about setting up an affiliation with ACM or IEEE?
> >
> > I assume you did that for BoostCon, right?
> >
> > On 2018-07-12, 6:30 PM, "Hartmut Kaiser"
> > <hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com<mailto:hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > Thanks for spearheading this! I think an academic C++ conference
> would
> > fill a
> > gaping hole in the landscape of scientific conferences.
> >
> > Two things come to mind right away:
> >
> > We should coordinate/look at/distinguish ourselves from OOPSLA, a
> > leading
> > conference on language design and related topics.
> >
> > A centerpiece for an academic conference is to provide a publication
> > platform
> > (at least conference proceedings, better yet and in addition to the
> > proceedings - a special topics journals, possibly for a selected
> amount
> > of
> > (best) papers only. The easiest way to organize proceedings etc.
> would
> > be by
> > associating the conference with ACM or IEEE.
> >
> > Regards Hartmut
> > ---------------
> > http://stellar.cct.lsu.edu
> > https://github.com/STEllAR-GROUP/hpx
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CppAc
> > <cppac-bounces at lists.cpp.ac<mailto:cppac-bounces at lists.cpp.ac>> On
> Behalf Of
> > Jon Kalb
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:39 PM
> > > To: cppac at lists.cpp.ac<mailto:cppac at lists.cpp.ac>
> > > Subject: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you all for introducing yourselves.
> > >
> > > I chair the C++Now and CppCon conferences as well as the Silicon
> > Valley
> > > Code Camp C++ Track. I also chair the Boost Steering Committee and
> am
> > a
> > > founding board member of the C++ Alliance and I starting this
> mailing
> > list
> > > and the website that hosts it.
> > >
> > > I'm also a freelance onsite trainer for C++. This is the job at
> which
> > I
> > > support myself.
> > >
> > > I want to share with you why I started this mailing list. It might
> > seem
> > > obvious that I want to facilitate discussion among academics
> > interested in
> > > C++. That is true, but I have three-point agenda. I feel like the
> > first
> > > point is a prerequisite to successfully achieving the second and
> > third:
> > >
> > > 1. Create a forum for academics interested in C++ to engage with
> each
> > > other
> > > 2. Fund the development and distribution of a set of curriculum
> guides
> > for
> > > use by instructors that are using C++ in colligate instruction
> > > 3. Create an academic conference on C++
> > >
> > > With the creation of https://cpp.ac and this list, I'm one down
> and
> > the
> > > two most difficult ones to go.
> > >
> > > Right now, I'd like to kick off discussion of the creation of an
> > academic
> > > conference with a document that I've created here:
> > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1POhpABMQe_2Odg9lKUt-
> > > LFce4DfXmrDMcE6UBPTXj_Y/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > I'm interested in hearing your questions and comment or if you'd be
> > > willing to participate or volunteer to help in this effort.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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