<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I've been to OOPSLA in the past, as an attendee (not as a presenter). It was actually pretty nice, and I have fond memories of it. It's indeed the closest conference to CppCon from all of those I've been to, at least in terms of size. For those who have never attended, it was a week-long, cross-language thing : we had a keynote on Aspect-oriented programming, another keynote by John McCarthy (just for this, it would have been a fun event :) ). Lots of smaller, academic papers (not all professional presenters; the overall CppCon level is higher than what OOPSLA offered when I went), and lots of highly interesting panels and talks by programming luminaries (Guy Steele, Bertrand Meyer, James Gosling, Nico Josuttis -- who was there mostly about Service-Oriented Architecture, which was a hot topic that year -- Anders Hejlsberg and many others).<br><br></div>I remember noticing that C++ was quite under-represented that year; it was my main concern when I filled the evaluation forms at the end. I'm glad we have CppCon these days.<br><br></div>I understand Eugenio's concerns. For the academic CppCon to work, we'll have to clearly define what we expect from it, and what attendees can expect too. And we'll have to be patient, as I think it will require more than one iteration to get right.<br><br></div>Cheers!<br><div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-07-13 17:24 GMT-04:00 Eugenio Bargiacchi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:svalorzen@gmail.com" target="_blank">svalorzen@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree mostly with Sarthak. I don't really see how it would be<br>
possible to create a single conference (be it a track or standalone)<br>
about C++ in academia in general, given that academia as a whole has<br>
so many disparate topics.<br>
<br>
Even if you create an academic track, unless all the work in there can<br>
be pertinent to what I am doing, there would be little point for me to<br>
go. I am currently at ICML, which is a very large AI conference (3k+<br>
people), and it is hard already to find tracks I am actually<br>
interested in since there's so many different topics.<br>
<br>
I don't think I would go to a conference about C++ in academia unless<br>
the papers presented were actually pertinent to my field, and I'm<br>
pretty sure my colleagues would do the same. For example, a short talk<br>
about how C++ is applied to the medical field would be of pretty much<br>
no interest to anyone in my lab. Trying to make training courses or<br>
C++ demonstrations in specific academic conferences which directly<br>
target the field of that conference I would imagine would gather much<br>
more interest.<br>
<br>
Eugenio<br>
<br>
On 7/13/18, Pati, Sarthak <<a href="mailto:Sarthak.Pati@uphs.upenn.edu">Sarthak.Pati@uphs.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> Would it make sense to conduct relevant training sessions on cutting edge<br>
> algorithms/technologies using C++ in field-specific conferences? For<br>
> instance, in the field of Medical Imaging, MICCAI<<a href="http://miccai.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://miccai.org/</a>>’s<br>
> annual meetings would be a nice target in collaboration with Kitware (they<br>
> design and maintain the ITK<<a href="https://itk.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://itk.org/</a>> library, one of the most<br>
> widely used toolkits in the field).<br>
><br>
> I have been hiring for my team recently and I get the impression that<br>
> current graduates are taught very antiquated methods in C++ and that notion<br>
> needs to change if we would like traction in the academic community.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Sarthak<br>
><br>
> From: CppAc [mailto:<a href="mailto:cppac-bounces@lists.cpp.ac">cppac-bounces@lists.<wbr>cpp.ac</a>] On Behalf Of Chuck Allison<br>
> Sent: 13/Jul/2018; Friday 01:09<br>
> To: Jon Kalb <<a href="mailto:jon@kalbweb.com">jon@kalbweb.com</a>>; Hartmut Kaiser <<a href="mailto:hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com">hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:cppac@lists.cpp.ac">cppac@lists.cpp.ac</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal<br>
><br>
> I presented a few times at OOPSLA. I don't feel it's relevant for me<br>
> anymore, and I really don't hear much about it these days.<br>
><br>
> I do like the idea of having a conference associated with ACM. That's what<br>
> CCSC does at a regional level (I have presented there many times over the<br>
> last 15 years). For me personally, the idea of an academic conference that<br>
> focuses on teaching as well as other interesting issues related to software<br>
> development and programming languages is very appealing. CCSC does that, but<br>
> it lacks relevance to and connection with industry. So either I like the<br>
> idea of beefing up the academic component of Cppcon, or having another<br>
> conference which is more welcoming to academics and yet still keeps the<br>
> connection to industry. I live in both worlds, and I think there are many<br>
> like me.<br>
><br>
> Chuck Allison<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<br>
><br>
> -------- Original message --------<br>
> From: Jon Kalb <<a href="mailto:jon@kalbweb.com">jon@kalbweb.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jon@kalbweb.com">jon@<wbr>kalbweb.com</a>>><br>
> Date: 7/12/18 7:56 PM (GMT-07:00)<br>
> To: Hartmut Kaiser<br>
> <<a href="mailto:hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com">hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com">hartmut.kaiser@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:cppac@lists.cpp.ac">cppac@lists.cpp.ac</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cppac@lists.cpp.ac">cppa<wbr>c@lists.cpp.ac</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal<br>
><br>
><br>
> Is OOPSLA focused on what its name says (OOP)? It looks to me like cutting<br>
> edge never uses “virtual.” I don’t really know what OOPSLA is doing or what<br>
> academic research is going on related to C++. Please help me learn.<br>
><br>
> Do you know how to go about setting up an affiliation with ACM or IEEE?<br>
><br>
> I assume you did that for BoostCon, right?<br>
><br>
> On 2018-07-12, 6:30 PM, "Hartmut Kaiser"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com">hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:hartmut.kaiser@gmail.com">hartmut.kaiser@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jon,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for spearheading this! I think an academic C++ conference would<br>
> fill a<br>
> gaping hole in the landscape of scientific conferences.<br>
><br>
> Two things come to mind right away:<br>
><br>
> We should coordinate/look at/distinguish ourselves from OOPSLA, a<br>
> leading<br>
> conference on language design and related topics.<br>
><br>
> A centerpiece for an academic conference is to provide a publication<br>
> platform<br>
> (at least conference proceedings, better yet and in addition to the<br>
> proceedings - a special topics journals, possibly for a selected amount<br>
> of<br>
> (best) papers only. The easiest way to organize proceedings etc. would<br>
> be by<br>
> associating the conference with ACM or IEEE.<br>
><br>
> Regards Hartmut<br>
> ---------------<br>
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><br>
><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: CppAc<br>
> <<a href="mailto:cppac-bounces@lists.cpp.ac">cppac-bounces@lists.cpp.ac</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:cppac-bounces@lists.cpp.ac">cppac-bounces@lists.<wbr>cpp.ac</a>>> On Behalf Of<br>
> Jon Kalb<br>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:39 PM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:cppac@lists.cpp.ac">cppac@lists.cpp.ac</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cppac@lists.cpp.ac">cppa<wbr>c@lists.cpp.ac</a>><br>
> > Subject: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you all for introducing yourselves.<br>
> ><br>
> > I chair the C++Now and CppCon conferences as well as the Silicon<br>
> Valley<br>
> > Code Camp C++ Track. I also chair the Boost Steering Committee and am<br>
> a<br>
> > founding board member of the C++ Alliance and I starting this mailing<br>
> list<br>
> > and the website that hosts it.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm also a freelance onsite trainer for C++. This is the job at which<br>
> I<br>
> > support myself.<br>
> ><br>
> > I want to share with you why I started this mailing list. It might<br>
> seem<br>
> > obvious that I want to facilitate discussion among academics<br>
> interested in<br>
> > C++. That is true, but I have three-point agenda. I feel like the<br>
> first<br>
> > point is a prerequisite to successfully achieving the second and<br>
> third:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. Create a forum for academics interested in C++ to engage with each<br>
> > other<br>
> > 2. Fund the development and distribution of a set of curriculum guides<br>
> for<br>
> > use by instructors that are using C++ in colligate instruction<br>
> > 3. Create an academic conference on C++<br>
> ><br>
> > With the creation of <a href="https://cpp.ac" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://cpp.ac</a> and this list, I'm one down and<br>
> the<br>
> > two most difficult ones to go.<br>
> ><br>
> > Right now, I'd like to kick off discussion of the creation of an<br>
> academic<br>
> > conference with a document that I've created here:<br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1POhpABMQe_2Odg9lKUt-" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1POhpABMQe_<wbr>2Odg9lKUt-</a><br>
> > LFce4DfXmrDMcE6UBPTXj_Y/edit?<wbr>usp=sharing<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm interested in hearing your questions and comment or if you'd be<br>
> > willing to participate or volunteer to help in this effort.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks.<br>
> ><br>
> > Jon<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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