[C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
JOSE DANIEL GARCIA SANCHEZ
josedaniel.garcia at uc3m.es
Tue Jul 17 00:01:02 PDT 2018
I think the question is what are the key defining characteristics about C++?
Perhaps:
+ Performance.
+ Complex software development.
+ <add yours here>
If we agree on one (or a few of them) we can start thinking what kind of
research papers we would like to see.
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:13 PM Pati, Sarthak <Sarthak.Pati at uphs.upenn.edu>
wrote:
> I agree with Jose.
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> To showcase the capabilities of C++ towards a good publication, we need to
> show the capabilities of the language in field-specific elite conferences
> (refer to my example of MICCAI previously). Another example would be
> showing anything related to deep learning in computer vision and/or
> robotics; I am yet to see a single training session in this topic in any
> field that uses C++, to be honest, and it is completely detrimental to an
> academician if they cannot use the latest and greatest method for their
> studies going forward.
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> *From:* CppAc [mailto:cppac-bounces at lists.cpp.ac] *On Behalf Of *JOSE
> DANIEL GARCIA SANCHEZ
> *Sent:* 15/Jul/2018; Sunday 15:20
> *To:* chuck.allison at gmail.com
> *Cc:* cppac at lists.cpp.ac
> *Subject:* Re: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
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> My point is that for keeping the pipeline we need to get onboard young
> academics. If they see they can get good publications around C++ that will
> be a bonus.
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> Usually what you use for research is indirectly linked with what you
> teach. Also you will want to have in your lab students with knowledge of
> your research tools. Everything is linked.
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> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 9:11 PM Chuck Allison <chuck.allison at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Well said, Jose.
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> Teaching is my main interest at this point (senior professor approaching
> retirement :-).
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> Chuck
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> On Jul 15, 2018, at 12:48 PM, JOSE DANIEL GARCIA SANCHEZ <
> josedaniel.garcia at uc3m.es> wrote:
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> Dear all,
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> One of the conferences we might be interested to look inspiration at is
> Ada Europe (site for last conference here
> http://ae2018.di.fc.ul.pt/sessions.html). The real name of the conference
> es "23rd International Conference on Reliable Software Technologies".
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> They edit the proceedings with Springer (in the series Lecture Notes in
> Computer Science). That is quite easy to setup this days.
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> I think before moving too fast we need to agree on what is what we are
> pursuing with establishing a new conference. I am very keen on the idea
> (I've been suggesting this to some people).
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> My idea is the following. While C++ is having a strong impact in industry
> (look at how many people attend the wg21 meetings or how many industrial
> conferences are around), we are loosing the teaching battle. C++ is not
> very used in teaching at CS programs in many places. Having more
> conferences where papers about C++ are published may help to indirectly
> address this issue.
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> I think this is the first thing we need to see if we agree. If that is the
> case, we may start thinking in how we should shape such a conference to
> make it attractive to many researchers that can bring interesting content
> and that may feel interested in what they will get from the conference.
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> What do you think?
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> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:04 PM Patrice Roy <patricer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've been to OOPSLA in the past, as an attendee (not as a presenter). It
> was actually pretty nice, and I have fond memories of it. It's indeed the
> closest conference to CppCon from all of those I've been to, at least in
> terms of size. For those who have never attended, it was a week-long,
> cross-language thing : we had a keynote on Aspect-oriented programming,
> another keynote by John McCarthy (just for this, it would have been a fun
> event :) ). Lots of smaller, academic papers (not all professional
> presenters; the overall CppCon level is higher than what OOPSLA offered
> when I went), and lots of highly interesting panels and talks by
> programming luminaries (Guy Steele, Bertrand Meyer, James Gosling, Nico
> Josuttis -- who was there mostly about Service-Oriented Architecture, which
> was a hot topic that year -- Anders Hejlsberg and many others).
>
> I remember noticing that C++ was quite under-represented that year; it was
> my main concern when I filled the evaluation forms at the end. I'm glad we
> have CppCon these days.
>
> I understand Eugenio's concerns. For the academic CppCon to work, we'll
> have to clearly define what we expect from it, and what attendees can
> expect too. And we'll have to be patient, as I think it will require more
> than one iteration to get right.
>
> Cheers!
>
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> 2018-07-13 17:24 GMT-04:00 Eugenio Bargiacchi <svalorzen at gmail.com>:
>
> I agree mostly with Sarthak. I don't really see how it would be
> possible to create a single conference (be it a track or standalone)
> about C++ in academia in general, given that academia as a whole has
> so many disparate topics.
>
> Even if you create an academic track, unless all the work in there can
> be pertinent to what I am doing, there would be little point for me to
> go. I am currently at ICML, which is a very large AI conference (3k+
> people), and it is hard already to find tracks I am actually
> interested in since there's so many different topics.
>
> I don't think I would go to a conference about C++ in academia unless
> the papers presented were actually pertinent to my field, and I'm
> pretty sure my colleagues would do the same. For example, a short talk
> about how C++ is applied to the medical field would be of pretty much
> no interest to anyone in my lab. Trying to make training courses or
> C++ demonstrations in specific academic conferences which directly
> target the field of that conference I would imagine would gather much
> more interest.
>
> Eugenio
>
> On 7/13/18, Pati, Sarthak <Sarthak.Pati at uphs.upenn.edu> wrote:
> > Would it make sense to conduct relevant training sessions on cutting edge
> > algorithms/technologies using C++ in field-specific conferences? For
> > instance, in the field of Medical Imaging, MICCAI<http://miccai.org/>’s
> > annual meetings would be a nice target in collaboration with Kitware
> (they
> > design and maintain the ITK<https://itk.org/> library, one of the most
> > widely used toolkits in the field).
> >
> > I have been hiring for my team recently and I get the impression that
> > current graduates are taught very antiquated methods in C++ and that
> notion
> > needs to change if we would like traction in the academic community.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sarthak
> >
> > From: CppAc [mailto:cppac-bounces at lists.cpp.ac] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Allison
> > Sent: 13/Jul/2018; Friday 01:09
> > To: Jon Kalb <jon at kalbweb.com>; Hartmut Kaiser <hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com
> >
> > Cc: cppac at lists.cpp.ac
> > Subject: Re: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
> >
> > I presented a few times at OOPSLA. I don't feel it's relevant for me
> > anymore, and I really don't hear much about it these days.
> >
> > I do like the idea of having a conference associated with ACM. That's
> what
> > CCSC does at a regional level (I have presented there many times over the
> > last 15 years). For me personally, the idea of an academic conference
> that
> > focuses on teaching as well as other interesting issues related to
> software
> > development and programming languages is very appealing. CCSC does that,
> but
> > it lacks relevance to and connection with industry. So either I like the
> > idea of beefing up the academic component of Cppcon, or having another
> > conference which is more welcoming to academics and yet still keeps the
> > connection to industry. I live in both worlds, and I think there are many
> > like me.
> >
> > Chuck Allison
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jon Kalb <jon at kalbweb.com<mailto:jon at kalbweb.com>>
> > Date: 7/12/18 7:56 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: Hartmut Kaiser
> > <hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com<mailto:hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com>>
> > Cc: cppac at lists.cpp.ac<mailto:cppac at lists.cpp.ac>
> > Subject: Re: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
> >
> >
> > Is OOPSLA focused on what its name says (OOP)? It looks to me like
> cutting
> > edge never uses “virtual.” I don’t really know what OOPSLA is doing or
> what
> > academic research is going on related to C++. Please help me learn.
> >
> > Do you know how to go about setting up an affiliation with ACM or IEEE?
> >
> > I assume you did that for BoostCon, right?
> >
> > On 2018-07-12, 6:30 PM, "Hartmut Kaiser"
> > <hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com<mailto:hartmut.kaiser at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > Thanks for spearheading this! I think an academic C++ conference
> would
> > fill a
> > gaping hole in the landscape of scientific conferences.
> >
> > Two things come to mind right away:
> >
> > We should coordinate/look at/distinguish ourselves from OOPSLA, a
> > leading
> > conference on language design and related topics.
> >
> > A centerpiece for an academic conference is to provide a publication
> > platform
> > (at least conference proceedings, better yet and in addition to the
> > proceedings - a special topics journals, possibly for a selected
> amount
> > of
> > (best) papers only. The easiest way to organize proceedings etc.
> would
> > be by
> > associating the conference with ACM or IEEE.
> >
> > Regards Hartmut
> > ---------------
> > http://stellar.cct.lsu.edu
> > https://github.com/STEllAR-GROUP/hpx
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CppAc
> > <cppac-bounces at lists.cpp.ac<mailto:cppac-bounces at lists.cpp.ac>> On
> Behalf Of
> > Jon Kalb
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:39 PM
> > > To: cppac at lists.cpp.ac<mailto:cppac at lists.cpp.ac>
> > > Subject: [C++ Academia] Conference Proposal
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you all for introducing yourselves.
> > >
> > > I chair the C++Now and CppCon conferences as well as the Silicon
> > Valley
> > > Code Camp C++ Track. I also chair the Boost Steering Committee and
> am
> > a
> > > founding board member of the C++ Alliance and I starting this
> mailing
> > list
> > > and the website that hosts it.
> > >
> > > I'm also a freelance onsite trainer for C++. This is the job at
> which
> > I
> > > support myself.
> > >
> > > I want to share with you why I started this mailing list. It might
> > seem
> > > obvious that I want to facilitate discussion among academics
> > interested in
> > > C++. That is true, but I have three-point agenda. I feel like the
> > first
> > > point is a prerequisite to successfully achieving the second and
> > third:
> > >
> > > 1. Create a forum for academics interested in C++ to engage with
> each
> > > other
> > > 2. Fund the development and distribution of a set of curriculum
> guides
> > for
> > > use by instructors that are using C++ in colligate instruction
> > > 3. Create an academic conference on C++
> > >
> > > With the creation of https://cpp.ac and this list, I'm one down
> and
> > the
> > > two most difficult ones to go.
> > >
> > > Right now, I'd like to kick off discussion of the creation of an
> > academic
> > > conference with a document that I've created here:
> > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1POhpABMQe_2Odg9lKUt-
> > > LFce4DfXmrDMcE6UBPTXj_Y/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > I'm interested in hearing your questions and comment or if you'd be
> > > willing to participate or volunteer to help in this effort.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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